For those who may not know No Kau a Kau means for eternity in Hawaiian. This will be the third time I’ve had the chance to interview Serge Kahili King. The first time on the radio show The Church Of Mabus I was shocked through the phone by lightening several times during a bad storm. Serge said it was a sign of power. Laughs. It scared me to death but all the interviews have always been pleasantly inspiring. You can find the shows archived for listening at my site. Now presenting for the third time in written Q&A form my third interview with Serge Kahili King. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did and find it as uplifting.

1. When you were growing up how did you fill or become into your position as a Huna Medicineman?

Serge Kahili King: I was brought up in the Hawaiian Huna tradition of “kalakupua” and when I was 14 my father formally inducted me into the path of a “kupua” (we don’t call it a “medicineman”). Later I was adopted by Joseph Kahili, a kupua from Kauai and trained first by his daughter and then by his son. I also spent seven years apprenticed to a Hausa shaman in West Africa.

2. A Lakota Indian once told me I was what he would call being caught up by the seat of my pants by spirit. Being a cancer survivor of over 16 years and my father passed away. I feel I had a Shamanistic death that introduced me to the Spirit world and creator so to speak. What are your thoughts on Shamanistic deaths that awaken people?

Serge Kahili King: I have had a number of such experiences in which death seemed inevitable and I was whole at the end of them. To me they were like stepping stones into greater awareness each time they happened.

3. How does one shapeshift? Is it an actual physical transformation like from man to wolf or a more ritualistic dressing up like the animal to take on its spirit energy?

Serge Kahili King: The answer is not as simple as the question implies. The art of shapeshifting involves a range of experiences that include physical transformation, behavioral transformation, mental, emotional, and physical camouflage, energy field changes, astral shaping, “method” acting, etc.

4. I heard you say once when I interviewed you at The Church Of Mabus radio show there was no hierarchy in the spirit world. What do you mean by that exactly?

Serge Kahili King: Instead of a feudal-type hierarchy, shamans typically perceive the spirit world as more like fields within fields, like a planet in a solar system in a galaxy in a universe. There are relationships and influences back and forth, not a top to bottom control system.

5. Do you think people don’t breathe properly and it could cause alot of health problems? I am familiar with HA Breathing where you breathe into your nose and out your mouth and say HA. And heard in Hawaii some of the whites have been called shallow breathers.

Serge Kahili King: Most people, including Hawaiians, breathe too shallowly, and that definites affects the body and the mind. The so-called “HA” breath is just a yogic variation. The reference by some Hawaiians to whites as shallow breathers comes from a misinterpretation of the word “haole,” which originally meant any foreigner and now refers to whites. Some think it comes from the phrase “ha ‘ole,” which could mean “lifeless” or “breathless,” but “haole” is not related to that.

6. Was Huna the original worldwide religion or belief system? Did the Masons try to ape its format? Or who actually tried to suppress it?

Serge Kahili King: As for the first part, no one knows. My family tradition says it was brought as a philosophy to Earth by people from the Pleiades, but my Hawaiian uncle said it was just a story and not important. All the Huna Principles can be found in the writings of various religions, but that’s simply because they are observations of how life works. The Masons created something based on Middle Eastern occult traditions. No one actually tried to suppress it and it never really disappeared, but active teachers withdrew when fewer people were interested.

7. Are there are legends in the belief system of huna that involve sasquatch type beings or little people or what we would term cryptos? Or like the gods and goddess for instance what are they like human or animal hybrids?

Serge Kahili King: Huna is a philosophy, not a religion, and of itself has no legends or folklore, although Huna principles can be found in legend and folklore. Hawaiian legends, though, contain stories of giants and little people. Some legendary characters have the power to transform into animals, and some have both animal and human characteristics at the same time.

8. What does Huna say about Evil and people who do Evil? Is there consequences spiritually for people that do Evil? Is there good and evil or just neutrality? Are there evil Huna shamans?

Serge Kahili King: Huna itself says nothing directly about evil and its consequences, but it does say that the world is what you think it is, and energy flows where attention goes. Huna is derived from Hawaiian culture, and in that culture the word for evil is “‘ino,” which means “to do harm.” Evil is therefore considered to be a form of behavior that has consequences for both the perpetrator as well as the victim. Shamanism is a form of healing, so the concept of an “evil shaman” makes no sense. Most likely this comes from confusing a shaman, whose purpose is to heal, with a sorcerer, whose purpose to gain and use power. And of course, it is not impossible for a shaman to commit evil acts.

9. I notice alot of shamans in tribes talk about this world dying or being purified by fire and being reborn and that it has happened before. Huna doesnt really have anything weird like that in it does it. When it comes to doom and gloom?

Serge Kahili King: Nope. Huna is about living in the present. The past is a memory and the future is imaginary.

10. A lot of people are turning to the shamanistic wisdom traditions these days instead of the more oppressive religions. What can people do to get on the path of shamanism or huna?

Serge Kahili King: Study and practice shamanism or Huna.

11. What do you think the Afterlife is like and does the Huna way embrace reincarnation? Will we see all our loved ones there and remember our lives and memories on Earth and wisdom?

Serge Kahili King: The Huna way embraces anything you want to think about anything. It simply says that you will experience the effects of your thinking. It also says that there are no limits. So, to paraphrase Voltaire, it is no more strange to think of having multiple lives than it is to think of having only one life. As for me, I think that I am currently having multiple simultaneous lives, and that when I “die” in this one I will just make a different one my primary focus.

12. What can we do to help the Earth right now from the Shaman’s perspective it really seems under seige right now as do the people of the Earth from corporations and governments.

Serge Kahili King: The Earth herself does not need help. She is too big a spirit to be concerned with the consequences of human activity. The problem is that humans are under siege from humans. From the Shaman’s perspective, we have to keep on healing and harmonizing minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day.

13. How do you know if you are a shaman?

Serge Kahili King: That’s like asking “How do you know if you are an athlete?” If you think the way an athlete thinks and do what an athlete does, you can be called an athlete. The same is true of a shaman. It is a vocation, not a state of being. If you think the way a shaman thinks and do what a shaman does, you can be called a shaman. In a particular culture, there might be an initiation to recognize your status in the community, but it is your demonstrated ability that makes you a shaman, not the initiation. And, since “shaman” is only a borrowed word to describe someone who engages in certain kinds of activities and views the world in a certain way, the precise definition of a shaman can vary from culture to culture and place to place. Of course, if you don’t know how a shaman thinks or what a shaman does, then the question itself is irrelevant.

14. You have said that in order to change something, you have to change something. So in personal terms, how do you change something?

Serge Kahili King: In order to change something about yourself with conscious intent, you have to want the pleasure of something you don’t have more than the pleasure of something you do have. For instance if you want to lose weight, you have to want the pleasure of having a lighter body more than the pleasure of eating more than you can burn. If you want a lot of friends, you have to want the pleasure of friendship more than the pleasure of criticizing and complaining. If you want to stop smoking, there has to be something about being a non-smoker that you want more than the pleasure of smoking. The concept is simple. It’s the application that’s difficult for most people.

15. What are your most current books that you have out right now and future books you have planned or events?

Serge Kahili King: My most current non-fiction books are “Huna: Ancient Secrets For Modern Living; Changing Reality” and “Endless Energy,” My most current fiction books are “Mongolian Mystery” and, soon, “Empire’s End.” In the planning stage are more fiction books, a book on the spiritual side of Huna, and, of course, a continuation of my classes and courses.

About Serge Kahili King

Serge Kahili King, Ph.D. is the author of many works on Huna and Hawaiian shamanism, including Urban Shaman and Instant Healing. He has a doctorate in psychology and was trained in shamanism by the Kahili family of Kauai as well as by African and Mongolian shamans. Dr. King is the Executive Director of Aloha International, a non-profit, worldwide network of individuals who have dedicated themselves to making the world a better place.

As an author, Dr. King has published the world’s largest selection of books and digital media on Huna, the Polynesian philosophy and practice of effective living, and on the spirit of Aloha, the attitude of love and peace for which the Hawaiian Islands are so famous. He also writes extensively on Hawaiian culture.

Serge’s blog and Huna store links

 http://www.huna.net/

 http://kahilisblog.blogspot.com/